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Poll: Is the Earth Doomed? Should U.S. Candidates Address Climate Change?

Scientists note America has seen record heat this summer, with fires and crop failures the fallout.

San Diego County has dodged the heat bullet this summer. But news reports of corn crop failures and record temperatures across the country—and scientific research—indicate that climate change (whether human-made or natural) is real and dangerous. Time magazine noted 2 million acres have burned in massive wildfires in the West, two-thirds of the country is in a drought and 3,215 daily-high-temp records were set nationwide in June. Should the drought end on ideas to address this challenge?

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Kevin George July 26, 2012 at 02:56 pm
Cyrus, I had no idea Channel 10 had registered an opinion, I apologize there is no way to controvert evidence like that!
Lovelock sent the World into a tizzy with a single book. "But of “Revenge of Gaia,” published in 2006, he said he had gone too far in describing what the warming Earth would see over the next century. “I would be a little more cautious -- but then that would have spoilt the book,” he quipped." Lovelock fully admits fomenting hysteria in order to sell books. Now you have hitched your wagon to the whole ball of wax and can't believe that we won't drink the Kool Aid.
Batman July 26, 2012 at 03:02 pm
Absolutely yes, we are having an effect on weather and climate. Every object in the universe has an effect on every other object in the universe, to some extent. Someone called climate change a religion. It's actually a sector of a much larger religion - something I call "anti-humanism". At one time the anti-humanists were called Lucifarians. Their doctrine is quite simple. They believe human beings have no business on planet earth, or anywhere else in the universe. And that everything humans do is destructive to nature, whether it is or not. You can plainly see anti-humanist doctrine in all of our universities and schools, as it has totally displaced pro-human, or Christian doctrine.
sheeple herder July 26, 2012 at 03:04 pm
Marshall,
Apparently you do care what I say, you keep responding. As for the pseudonym, the patch doesen't care about people being accountable by logging in with fake names, why should I? As for the money, carbon credits? What a joke.... My education, I am currently in college. Yours?
Cyrus Kamada July 26, 2012 at 04:35 pm
Just to demonstrate that we can actually think while drinking Kool-Aid and even suppress our autonomic reactions to toxic buzzwords such as "nuclear energy", here is something to mull over:
The new 4th generation nuclear plants, projected for commercial feasibility in 2030 have some interesting features: -Nuclear waste that remains dangerously radioactive for a few decades instead of millennia -100-300 times more energy yield from the same amount of nuclear fuel -The ability to consume existing nuclear waste in the production of electricity -Improved operating safety Here is an article on it by James Hansen of NASA, a leading voice in sounding the alarm on climate change. Can we agree that this is something we might want to invest in as a country as an alternative to carbon-based power generation? http://ossfoundation.us/projects/energy/nuclear
Tom Yarnall July 26, 2012 at 04:44 pm
W. Mike, You, obviously have an advanced degree or you wouldn't be asking Sheeple about his. Could you please let us know what it is. It would better help us understand your insistence that you def. know that this all is not a fabrication...........
I would, also, appreciate the name of any books you have written on the subject.
Dick Willson July 26, 2012 at 04:59 pm
W Mike Marshall
The 'Henny Penny' argument is the last, desperate refuge of global warming extremists. Global circulation models (GCM's) are the primary scientific tool used to implicate increases in CO2 as the dominant forcing of 'global warming'. They are very sophisticated but the Earth's climate is very complex and the sensitivity of climate to many variables is not yet well understood. The effort to understand climate using GCM's is an important scientific endeavor but at this stage they are unable to make sufficiently accurate predictions to justify the claim that anthropogenic CO2 is a major climate forcing . Their predictions failed in the mid-20th century and have failed again during the last decade when global cooling occured during monotonically increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. There was climate warming during the past half of the 20th century. But the increased accuracy and coverage of satellite data on both climate variables and solar activity during the last half century has shown that the dominant forcing has been variations of the total solar irradiance. Further, climate and solar radiation proxy data going back over the past 400 years shows that the climate is almost always synchronized with solar radiation but frequently not with the CO2 content of the atmosphere. The implication from these results as well as ice core data going back ~ 400,000 years is that the CO2 content of the atmosphere follows the average climate rather than creating it.
Batman July 26, 2012 at 06:18 pm
Mr. W, my highest academic credentials are a high school diploma and a federally issued license required by my employer. Do you have a college degree? If you do that's fine, but I am not impressed. My brother-in-law has a Phd from UCSD, and I am not impressed.
And, I am Batman. Do something about it!
Cyrus Kamada July 26, 2012 at 06:34 pm
I'm not a scientist, however, this link seems to indicate that solar activity and global warming are actually NEGATIVELY correlated over the past 35 years.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-basic.htm
Cyrus Kamada July 26, 2012 at 06:43 pm
No one is questioning that there aren't a number of factors contributing over time to climate change. The question is whether, especially over the past few decades, human contributions have become significant enough to warrant mitigation. As to whether, CO2 is a cause or a result of global warming, this link seems to indicate that it is both, i.e. part of a feedback loop.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
Doug Curlee July 26, 2012 at 07:02 pm
kevin.. you know damned well the far right echo chambers are reverberating with the screams of the far right..
screaming that golbal warming does NOT exist.. try to keep up here, old pal.. doug
Doug Curlee July 26, 2012 at 07:06 pm
look, evberyone..
i'm not saying global warming does or does NOT exist.. k'm saying there a lot more IMMEDIATE problems we as a nation and a culture face NOW.. the LAST thing i want to hear from either barack obama or mitt romney is a long, drawn-out debate over global warming.. there's time to work on that later on.. scientists already are..and there is NOTHING either obama or or romney can do to fix it in the next four years.. or the next 400 years.. doug
Batman July 26, 2012 at 07:25 pm
I agree with you on this one Doug. Neither Obama or Romney can do anything about climate change, nor should they. It's not their job.
The earth is a brilliantly designed self-regulating, self-cleasnsing system. Yes, we can mess it up temporarily, but nothing we little humans do is permanent. The earth will take care of itself.
Richard Willson July 26, 2012 at 07:39 pm
Cyrus:
The url you've cited is an AGW propaganda blog. The NASA/GISS chart is from the chief GCM developer that has been beating the drum for AGW CO2 over the past 30 years. Their model downplays solar forcing arbitrarily to emphasize the AGW contribution. The temperature curve shown on the chart at that url uses only land surface temperatures and is entirely incorrect for the global climate which has cooled since ~ 2000. During 1970 - 2000 there was an average warming climate. During this time the total solar irradiance (TSI) increased proportionately, peaking in the 1991 - 1992 period and declining since (except for the current, relatively low solar activity maximum). The TSI curve shown on the url is the PMOD composite which does not represent the most credible interpretation of extant satellite TSI data. The PMOD composite was assembled to reflect the biases of the AGW proponents and misuses satellite TSI results during 1989 - 1992 to accomplish that. For a discussion of the TSI issue see: http://acrim.com/TSI%20Monitoring.htm
Richard Willson July 26, 2012 at 07:47 pm
Batman has got it right (both here and in Gotham City)! Mother nature is in charge, always has been and always will be. The arguments citing mankind's ability to affect climate are just another of the many anthropomorphized concepts common to man's many religions, including AGW.
Malaprop July 26, 2012 at 08:10 pm
I believe the earth is doomed, but not from AGW.
I am almost certain that WMD will be the culprit.
Susan Brinchman July 26, 2012 at 08:17 pm
Some of the so-called solutions are worse than the problem, and are designed to be a money-maker with "green" and "global warming prevention" as the excuse: for example "smart grid". The only "green" that we are seeing is money and that doesn't save the public health nor the earth.
Sarah Riccitelli July 26, 2012 at 09:44 pm
For once, I agree with you Batman. Now check out Season 5 episode 4 of a show called Supernatural. Pay close attention to the last 20 minutes. You'll get a kick out of it.:)
Batman July 27, 2012 at 01:19 pm
Ther's nothing scientific about global warming. It's all voodoo witchdoctor stuff.
Kevin George July 27, 2012 at 01:31 pm
That's what I have been saying for years Doug.
It's hard to worry about climate change when you are heating a can of beans over a cardboard fire.
Richard Willson July 27, 2012 at 01:59 pm
I suspect scientific discussion has always been a spectator sport for you.
Malaprop July 27, 2012 at 06:20 pm
" as painful as watching the people who don't own guns arguing for gun control"
Wow, that's a good one ... let me add some more... as painful as watching: - a sober person arguing against drunk driving, - people who care about children criticizing Penn State. - an honest business person decrying white collar crime. - a minority arguing against bigotry.
John Galt July 27, 2012 at 06:41 pm
YES - Just ask a Obama lover. G. W. Bush is the cause of the movie theater violence by that mad man, the Tucson shooting of the congress woman and others, the attacks of 9/11, Oklahoma bombing, San Diego Fires, drought in the Mid-West, and the seals in La Jolla. I guess he gets around.
John Galt July 27, 2012 at 06:42 pm
Well said
Batman July 27, 2012 at 06:42 pm
You intellectuals don't even know what science is. If you did you would understand that global warming has not been scientifically proven. You would also understand it is impossible to scientifically prove man-made clmate change. So, it just might be happening, but it probably is not.
Komfort July 27, 2012 at 06:43 pm
An Adobe document specialist pointing out a fraudulent pdf birth certificate.
Things I Learned July 27, 2012 at 09:45 pm
as painful as watching people who have nothing to say arguing against free speech
Loki August 27, 2012 at 02:27 am
And yet ... Cap & Trade was passed in California to the tune of $$Billions in increased energy costs for the users - businesses and residences of California.
... on the other hand, those costs will be converted to $$Billions in profits for the CO2 Traders and $millions in taxes for the state of California. Who's responsible? Just follow the money. (AB-32)
Batman August 27, 2012 at 02:58 am
"Hey-hey, ho-ho, CO2 makes trees and plants grow". And this can be scientifically proven in any greenhouse with a bottle of CO2.
Censorship? August 27, 2012 at 01:43 pm
Jennifer Vigil -
Why are you not printing comments on the Mansion Mysteries that support that Rebecca Zahau committed suicide because she hurt Max Shacknai? Why are you only printing comments that state the Shacknais or Romanos killed RZ, when they have been cleared by police and her death ruled a suicide? Why don't you care about the death of a little 6-year old boy???
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Christine Huard (Editor) May 28, 2013 at 04:49 pm
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