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Poll: Should California Follow Arizona Lead on Abortion Rights Limits?

Meanwhile, state Sen. Christine Kehoe’s bill would expand access to abortions in the state.

Now that a federal judge has upheld Arizona’s more restrictive abortion law— banning the procedure starting at 20 weeks of pregnancy—other states may follow suit with similar legislation. But probably not California. State Sen. Christine Kehoe, D-San Diego, in February introduced Senate Bill 1501, which would let nurse practitioners, physician assistants and nurse midwives perform routine abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy as a way of expanding access to the procedure.  Which direction should the state take?

Batman August 1, 2012 at 07:22 pm
Abstenance would work fine if it were encouraged.
Sarah Riccitelli August 1, 2012 at 08:04 pm
As someone born with and living with disabilities, I'm glad my mom didn't abort or euthanize me as a baby. However , she did tell me that if she had to do it again, she would abort. This is why I split both ways on this issue.
Sarah Riccitelli August 1, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Thanks again for the Daily Mail link Kevin.
David B Secor August 2, 2012 at 05:59 am
10 weeks? 20 weeks? Meanwhile, the man who speaks for the women in the new House District 50, Duncan Hunter, introduces legislation in Congress stating life begins at fertilization. That fertilized egg immediately is a person with all the rights "born" individuals have.
Many fertilized eggs fail to attach to the placenta. Do we put their pictures on milk cartons? Do we throw the "mother" in jail until we find out if this failure to implant was the result of some "criminal" action of hers? Invitro fertilization would be illegal. Are couples' whose eggs are now frozen guilty of felony child abuse. If, after a successful implant, the remaining eggs are discarded, it would be felony murder - number of counts would depend on number of eggs. Doctors, lab people, etc. guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. If a woman has a miscarriage, should she fear the D.A. might file manslaughter or murder charges against her because a witness saw her jumping up and down when she was 4 weeks pregnant? I am running against Hunter in this election because the people of this district, regardless of party affiliation, need representation, not nonsensical grandstanding. Women's healthcare, REPUBLICAN women's healthcare should never be the purview of the young Mr. Hunter. It says (R) next to his name, but he's not a real Republican, he's an extremist, Mr. Gridlock, and it's past time for him to go, so we can get about moving this country forward..
David B Secor August 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I don't have your vote? I wear that as a badge of honor.
Craig Maxwell August 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Criticize something Secorian, and Secor frequently responds:
"I don't have your vote? I wear that as a badge of honor." (PS--And David B. Secor still wears a stupid hat.)
David B Secor August 2, 2012 at 01:37 pm
Craig/Thing - Some readers are very concerned about the extremists' attacks on women. A fertilized egg is a person? Women should not use birth control pills? Even rape or incest are no reason to terminate a pregnancy?
While you two are having great fun playing computer games all day, people in the real world, both men and women, take women's healthcare very seriously and find such extremist positions absolutely unacceptable. So do I, with or without my hat. wearing a hattake
Sarah Riccitelli August 2, 2012 at 02:08 pm
Cool hat Dave!:)
Craig Maxwell August 2, 2012 at 02:11 pm
David,
At least as many people are also "very concerned" about the taking--killing!--of innocent life. Consider the worse-case-scenario if you're right: If so, then I am infringing on a woman's "right to choose." But what if I'm right right? Then we're talking about, at best, wrongful death; at worst, murder. Pro-life people are in a world no less real than the one you inhabit, David, and they don't consider their defense of innocent life to be either "extreme" or a "game" on the computer. (They also, for the most part, eschew silly, theatrical headwear.)
Komfort August 2, 2012 at 02:13 pm
That does not answer when you think human life begins, David.
(I never really noticed the hat before.)
Cara August 2, 2012 at 02:46 pm
Craig- do you have a uterus? The ability to create life and carry to full term? Are you going to adopt and support all of the children, since you are so against abortion?? Why dont you start by going to McAllister or Polinsky and taking the time to get to know those children whose mothers chose to have them but now they are in a "group" home with the wishful and hopeful thinking that they might have a "mommy & daddy" someday, have brother & sisters or how about just a bedroom to call their own!! Lets leave abortion to the women who have the right to make decisions with their own body and start with all the children who were given life but no hope! Yes, some of these places do wonders but come on what child does not want the love of their mommy and daddy!
Cara August 2, 2012 at 02:46 pm
Craig- do you have a uterus? The ability to create life and carry to full term? Are you going to adopt and support all of the children, since you are so against abortion?? Why dont you start by going to McAllister or Polinsky and taking the time to get to know those children whose mothers chose to have them but now they are in a "group" home with the wishful and hopeful thinking that they might have a "mommy & daddy" someday, have brother & sisters or how about just a bedroom to call their own!! Lets leave abortion to the women who have the right to make decisions with their own body and start with all the children who were given life but no hope! Yes, some of these places do wonders but come on what child does not want the love of their mommy and daddy!
Kevin George August 2, 2012 at 03:01 pm
Then I may I expostulate that David Secor has a uterus( and hat).
James Jones August 2, 2012 at 03:20 pm
@Cara:I'm guessing that Craig doesn't have the ability to create life and neither do you, uterus or no uterus.
Craig Maxwell August 2, 2012 at 03:27 pm
The doctor's never reported seeing one, Cara. But that no more precludes me from making accurate statements and judgments about abortion than Lincoln's whiteness prevented him from judging black slavery.
To say otherwise is a fallacy, (See Ad Hominem Circumstantial) I would happy to leave issues pertaining to woman's bodies to women, but in this case, we're talking about another body, too.
Kevin George August 2, 2012 at 04:25 pm
How about this Cara? I'll go to Polinsky and get to know a child if you will go to Family Planning Assoc and watch a five month old fetus sucked from a uterus.
Cara August 2, 2012 at 04:42 pm
it's amusing to me to notice that only men are against abortion on here? why is that? yes i have been into an abortion kevin and no it was not pretty or entertaining, like i said i do not believe abortion is the answer but i also do not know what led them there to have that procedure done and i am sure it was not easy for them to walk in there themselves. lets start at the root of the problem, parental guidance and education!
Kevin George August 2, 2012 at 04:57 pm
Cara this site is predominately male for some reason, so h naturally you will hear from mostly men here.
Second, how much education education will one need to prevent having 15 abortions in 16 years? http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/abortion-addict-admits-multiple-abortions-suicide-attempts/story?id=8594347#.UBrZQU1lQ_o How do you justify the fact that half of women who have a first abortion return for a second if it's not being used as a means of contraception. Honestly I don't know why I got so involved with this topic, I normally stay away. But when I hear the if you don't have a uterus argument I can't help myself.
Cara August 2, 2012 at 04:58 pm
And a five month old fetus Kevin? Really? That is sick.
Kevin George August 2, 2012 at 05:35 pm
Yes it is.
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/12/16/index.html "Second Trimester: During the second three months, the state may only enact laws which regulate abortions in ways "reasonably related to maternal health." This simply means that a state may determine who is qualified to perform the abortion and where such an operation may take place. "
Doug Curlee August 2, 2012 at 06:01 pm
well, kev... that's not exactly what it means.."reasonably related to maternal health" means that an abortion can only be performed that late if there is a reasonable risk of harm to the mother..
doug
Craig Maxwell August 2, 2012 at 06:06 pm
"But are human embryos human beings?
Indeed they are, and contemporary human embryology and developmental biology leave no significant room for doubt about it." http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/acorns-and-embryos
Kevin George August 2, 2012 at 06:13 pm
Read this Doug and see if there is any mention of the mothers health for a twenty week abortion.
http://www.rhtp.org/abortion/documents/Second-TrimesterAbortionFactSheetExternal.pdf Then when the mothers "mental health" ecomes the issue then we are into a very subjective set of rules. I am not saying it happens everyday, but then again an abortion doctor is not killed every day but we hear that brought up constantly. Like I said this isn't a huge issue for me, I,m done.
Michael Ecklund August 2, 2012 at 08:20 pm
Kevin George I am glad your done. This country has killed 55million from the 70's until now. Are we to just shut our eyes and let the little woman decide..??
MH August 3, 2012 at 11:03 am
If you are claiming any "Godish" reason for your comment, you voice has to be ignored as not everyone who votes in this county follows your beliefs. Any politician who is messing with anything to do with trying to restrict abortions needs to be voted out as they are in office for political reasons and not taking care of "new business" and getting things done. Intelligent people know that abortions need to be legal and why. We need to watch the religious loonies who speak up too much about this, as they aren't intelligent and are obsessive. If religious people want to prevent abortions, then they should all group up and adopt every single unwanted child that is born. Let's see what they will do... lol!
Komfort August 3, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Why did Obama choose religious loony Rick Warren for his invocation?
Michael Ecklund August 3, 2012 at 02:09 pm
Komfort: Obama says he is a christian but has never said he was born again and a follower of Jesus. Rick Warren heads up one of the biggest churches in Orange County. His church is the perfect example of the apostasy today. If anyone belongs to his church ...get out now. His purpose driven life will send people where thet won't want to go..
Michael Ecklund August 3, 2012 at 02:12 pm
MH...Godish, what a nice word. You can ignore the word, but it will never come back void.
Cara August 3, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Thank you MH!
David B Secor August 4, 2012 at 01:45 am
Craig - You are not pro-life, you are pro-pregnancy. That is a very different thing. If you would be 1/10 as passionate about caring for people AFTER they leave the womb, I would take you seriously.
Do you support ALL pregnant women having first-rate prenatal care, which would help ensure that the "person" you so desperately want to protect has good care? If you really CARED about the abortion rate, you would be actively supporting sex education and Planned Parenthood, which by offering birth control to millions of women avoids untold thousands of abortions each year. Those abortions would not be happening without extremist insistence that Planned Parenthood not offer birth control. Extremists are co-conspirators in those "deaths" as they would not have occurred had not extremists forced the issue. Once those children are born, some of them have difficult lives. That doesn't concern you of course as they may now be unemployed, and instead of "innocent life" you can immediately switch to calling them deadbeats, leeches, parasites who are no longer a concern for good Christians like yourself. Your egocentric hypocrisy literally jumps from the page. I know you must scour through the Gospels to try to find a quote from Jesus that doesn't say help the poor, feed the sick, etc. So run to some other part of the book and pretend those quotes are the equivalent of Jesus' so you can comfortably ignore what He so clearly told you you must do. Enough.

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