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McAlister Institute to Appeal to City Council on Rejected Parolee Program

Members of the Planning Commission disapproved the proposal at its July 23 meeting.

A rehabilitation center that was denied approval by the Planning Commission to locate a program for newly released criminals at its Lemon Grove facility will appeal the decision to the City Council on Tuesday.

The 180-bed McAlister Institute, route: {:controller=>"listings", :action=>"show", :id=>"mcalister-institute-kiva-womens-childrens-learning-center"} -->, which offers drug and alcohol treatment to adults and a long-term residential recovery program for mothers and children, originally sought to transfer 40 beds from its women’s program to create the Community Transition Center, a pilot program that would assess at least 2,085 post-release offenders (PROs) each year at the Skyline Drive facility. The Planning Commission rejected the proposal at its

Christine Huard (Editor) September 17, 2012 at 03:37 PM
What are your thoughts on this program to counsel 2,000+ post-release offenders in Lemon Grove each year? Tell us in comments.
David Brammer II September 17, 2012 at 05:00 PM
It's just all part of that DIVERSE """CITY""" James so longs to have and enjoy. Out with the old country life and in with the new city life. Well, this belongs in a city not the country so I say LET THEM move here because we're THE CITY. You get what you ask for, city folk!
David Brammer II September 17, 2012 at 05:04 PM
As part of a city we need the bad with the good to make it diverse... another dream of some. I hope they use this=) And this was a bill signed by Gov Brown... what idiots voted him in again? lol
LemonGroove September 17, 2012 at 05:24 PM
I agree with the City, this is not a good fit. If I had my way, I'd say "No." to all residential transitional housing. We have enough parolees in the condos on the northeastern part of town. There are so many dots on the Megan's Law map that they overlap. Let's continue to clean up the city.
LG Joe September 17, 2012 at 05:44 PM
Our deputies are kept busy enough with our existing population without adding more individuals that would require additional law enforcement attention. This type of program belongs in a community that has more law enforcement resources than Lemon Grove has. I agree with the city council.
Steve Kane September 17, 2012 at 06:39 PM
You asked for my "thoughts" so here they are. As soon as these people show up in the facility, they start scanning the neighborhood for theft and burglary opportunities to support their drug habits. Crime always goes up immediately wherever these offenders are placed. Also, those who are interested in rape or sex with kids will start looking for victims. "No violent offenders" is a joke. It means only that these criminals have not been convicted of violent offenses recently. Hard working people who are trying to provide a decent environment for their families do not deserve to be forced to have this predatory criminal scum endangering their homes and children. If they need to be "rehabilitated," do it in a remote desert away from decent people and families. We will defend our neighborhoods! Citizens must organize to throw out the politicians who orchestrated this destruction. No company should be allowed to profit from ruining neighborhoods and terrorizing families.
James Davis September 17, 2012 at 09:30 PM
Hi David, hope all is well. Your comment speaks volumes about your lack of tolerance of others opinions as well as assuming too much of what other people think. But since you have done such a great job as being my spokesperson, I am going to take a stab at actually giving my own opinion. Diversity in a city definitely does not condone the need or want of housing former criminals for the sake of diversity. How a city's infrastructure equates to allowing for former criminals into a city is beyond me. The only reason I see this organizaiton even attempting to expand here so close to a residential community is concerning. I am hopeful that folks show up to this council meeting or at least communicate with with our city council on how this is NOT a good fit for our city in any way, shape, or form. Curious how many posters here on this matter are even going to show up. Because if this goes through city council like all the other changes that have in the past that changed something in the city, then shame on the long time locals AGAIN for letting it happen.
James Davis September 17, 2012 at 09:34 PM
David, I still dont get it. Did you eve read the article? The City nor the Council want this. How does my opinion of a city have anything to do with this?
LG Joe September 17, 2012 at 10:23 PM
I read the accompanying PDF’s to this story. What I found shocking is notice about this proposal was only delivered to address within 300 feet of the facility. This proposal has potential implications of a far greater area than a 5-house radius. The sheer number of 2,000 a year, 5 to 6 newly released felons each DAY, passing through the facility does not require a statistician to realize there are going to be numerous problems. Lemon Grove already has committed to a population of “transitional-aged youth (18-25 years old) eligible for supportive service under the Mental Health Services Act program (MHSA) at the new Citronica One development near the trolley station. At least in that case, its overall project is an improvement to the community. Kiva/McAlister should not be allowed to prevail on their appeal. They should continue to seek other facilities in the Otay Mesa area as they have shared in the documents.
mlozano September 17, 2012 at 11:44 PM
I am shocked.@ these reponses, ” these” those”...etc., they are not animals. All they want is a.second chance. They have families just like you and me. What our community lacks is COMPASSION. Hasn' anybody given you a.second chance? and where would you be if they had not?
LG Joe September 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM
mlozano, its true people deserve a second chance. Lemon Grove has many places that serve the down and out, the recovery community and ex-convicts. My point is we do not need more. This is a new, untested program. We have nothing to compare it to while deciding if we want to host it. It is a Pandora’s Box that Lemon Grove cannot afford to be the first to open.
James Davis September 18, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Lg Joe is right as usual. I don't think it's about not giving a second chance to these folks. I know for me it's about the organization itself and the potential implications we might be inviting. Its the location they are proposing that is questionable.
LG Joe September 18, 2012 at 01:36 AM
Pardon me, I misstated above; “I agree with the city council.” What I meant to say is that I agree with the Lemon Grove Planning Commission voting down the proposal. I hope the Lemon Grove City Council will back the planning commission and deny the appeal.
Scott September 18, 2012 at 04:28 AM
There are various problems with McAllister Institute proposal to house convicts in their facility: 1) Corrections officers would leave at 5 p.m., leaving a rent-a-cop security guard to watch them all at night. 2) It's surrounded by a residential zone, with 10 schools and 4 parks within 3.8 miles of this facility. This is not a place for a transition jail. 3) It keeps breaking its promises; increasing the number of beds and expanding the facility use.. 4) The convicts that are being brought to the facility are supposed to be limited to non-sex offenders and non-violent criminals. However, this is a fallacy, because they are only looking at the current crime. If they are previous sex offenders or criminals that were convicted of violent crimes in the past; "it's okay, you can come here, since its not what your current crime that you are serving time for..." 3) Notices of the intent to house the convicts were only provided to residences within 300 feet of the institute, though the impact of this change goes farther than 300 feet and arguably impacts all of Lemon Grove. 4) The facility receives over $2.1 million annually to house "addicts," but it can't maintain its downtrodden facility. It is hidden from the public view, but not from its neighbors, who have had a long history of unresolved issues with lack of upkeep on the fencing, broken promises, and lack of supervision... 5) It's a state and county problem; not Lemon Grove's...
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 08:11 AM
James, diversity is diversity no matter how you dress it up. Diversity is a composure of different elements in a class, race, group, or "organization". No offense but the meaning of the word diversity is more credible than your opinion of the meaning. Who shall we pawn them off on? Moving a problem isn't solving a problem. Are you a Christian or a believer in God? What would Jesus do? Turn on them or reach out to them because everyone deserves a second chance.... or FOREGIVENESS if you prefer. As far as your comment... I work Tuesday nights and council meetings don't pay my bills. How's your tolerance doing?
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 08:20 AM
She didn't ask you what you thought...we can read that. She asked you if anyone has ever given you a second chance and where would you be had they not?
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 08:24 AM
What's the difference? With section 8/low income housing they end up here one way or another anyway.
James Davis September 18, 2012 at 03:28 PM
David, if you cant make it because you are working on Tuesday nights, here is the website for our City Council. http://www.ci.lemon-grove.ca.us/index.aspx?nid=124 Since you are impassioned about taking the time out to use me as whipping post for having an opinion, it might prove more useful to actually address your concerns with the Council. Glad I have left a such a strong impression on you to choose me for your comments without having an opinion of the actual issue on your own.
LG Joe September 18, 2012 at 04:00 PM
Mr. Brammer, you're not giving them much hope proclaiming they will be requiring Section 8 housing. The truth is their recidivism rate is so high most will be back in prison a year after release.
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 05:08 PM
How is LET THEM not an opinion?
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Sorry, the first reply is for James. Recidivism; I'm not a fan of the word in this situation due this being a FIRST TIME PROGRAM. The design is to see where these people fit in and what you are saying right off the bat is "screw off and go somewhere else" What kind of hope do you offer? None it looks like. And let's face it Mr. We Do Not Need More, low income housing is the only direction this city is headed. We have the Homeless Mover Trolley and the housing. All we need is some compassion from so-called Christians! Let's pray for our brothers in church then go poo on them in a council meeting=/
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 05:25 PM
How is LET THEM not an opinion?
James Davis September 18, 2012 at 06:01 PM
David, your comments are actually quite entertaining at this point. I hope you are having as much fun writing it as I am reading it. Thanks for that! While I know Christians and respect them, I am certainly not one. But you can go ahead and have fun guessing all you want and looking up wiki definitions of what diversity is. In the meantime, with the matter at hand, Scott and LG Joe seem to have hit the nail on the head here with some questionable items regarding the facility and whether this makes sense for the City. Have fun trolling out.
David Brammer II September 18, 2012 at 06:59 PM
I never assumed you were Christian. I did however ask. I also wrote "second chance" OR forgiveness if you prefer. I never labled you. I also know the def of diversity. As far as my badinage, it may be twisted but I never called you a name or referred to you as something you're not. I'm for it and you are not so I'm a troll? Speaks volumes about your lack of tolerance of others opinions. btw did you read the sheriff's report? More than half the McA clients will be LG residents so what's the big deal? lol
James Davis September 18, 2012 at 07:20 PM
David, its ok. This is an online commenting section so I take this stuff with a grain of salt. I never once said I am for or against this. I want to know more about it before it comes in. What I do know is that the Commission said no, so that in of itself has to lead to some more questions as to why. Saying that I 'long to have something' in a diverse city is certainly claiming something that I stand for which I dont. Apprently you have taken to heart some of the more obvious changes that have happened in the city of Lemon Grove. I just make observations and present them. If you think we are going more country then great, but I certainly dont 'long' for some city life. I bought a house here not for it to be something that it is not, but work with what exists and make it a nice community. If I 'wanted' the urban life I would live there. But lets face it there are lots of elements here which make the "used to be country' argument, its in the rearview mirror with all the new building and change happening. San Diego is a big place, I moved here because it had a lot of rural elements. I am still not certain if this new program will be a good fit for residents in the City. Like I said in another comment, lets see what they have to say. As a property owner, I cant imagine the folks living around there will be too thrilled. Do you own property here David? If you did, I am sure you would be concerned about this topic too like so many other commenters are.
David Brammer II September 19, 2012 at 08:39 AM
Your words James....I am hopeful that folks show up to this council meeting or at least communicate with with our city council on how this is NOT a good fit for our city in any way, shape, or form. <<<< you may have not used to words For or Against but you did said it. I didn't say you long for this McA deal. I said it's PART of the diversity you long for. No James I don't own property here in Lemon Grove and I wont for more than a few months when I do. When this house goes into my name it will be the same time it hits the market. I don't shop here except Home Depot and Henry's, I only eat at Rosarito's and Por Favor (closed), I don't play here, I don't have Edco service, and my kids go to school in La Mesa.... I LOATHE THIS CITY in it's current state.
James Davis September 19, 2012 at 04:26 PM
David, I hope you make some money on the sale of that house. I dont think anyone would argue that getting money from a place you loathe so much could be so good. It looks like you have things figured out that others dont and good for you. But for those of us that are here that want to make it a better place, lets hope whoever does buy your inherited house has a far more optimisitc attitude about where they live. And you think coming on the LG Patch and bagging on the city isnt trolling?
David Brammer II September 21, 2012 at 02:18 AM
If troll is all you have then I guess that's all you have. Have an average day, I'm heading to Palm Springs for the weekend.

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